Q&A: Do U feel ICE made the right call here ICE agent removes man, 31, during church service given his background?
Question by I’m gonna start another riot: Do U feel ICE made the right call here ICE agent removes man, 31, during church service given his background?
Do U feel ICE made the right call here ICE agent removes man, 31, during church service given what his background was and number of times deported ?
On a Sunday morning, in a church sanctuary near Conroe, an off-duty immigration agent tapped Jose Juan Hernandez on the shoulder and asked him to step outside.
A 31-year-old illegal immigrant from Mexico with three prior deportations, Hernandez quietly followed the agent and promptly was detained on suspicion of illegal re-entry after deportation, said Gregory Palmore, an Immigration and Customs Enforcement spokesman in Houston.
The case would be unremarkable, except for the setting. The fact that Hernandez was detained in church has sparked controversy locally. Hernandez was arrested Oct. 26, pleaded guilty to the re-entry charge this month and is scheduled for sentencing in April. He remains in federal detention in Conroe. Hernandez’s attorney, Rick Soliz, said he plans to file a complaint against the ICE agent in connection with the arrest.
“I wonder what the agent was thinking, if he was thinking at all,” Soliz said. “How do you decide to do that in the middle of a religious service?”
ICE has demonstrated a long-standing reluctance to detain suspected illegal immigrants at churches and schools. The agency waited more than a year before arresting Elvira Arellano, an illegal immigrant from Mexico who publicly took sanctuary in a West Chicago church to avoid being deported and separated from her U.S.-born son. She was picked up after she left the church and traveled to Los Angeles in 2007 to launch a national campaign for immigration reform.
Palmore confirmed that Hernandez was arrested at the church in October, calling it an “unusual circumstance.” But he defended the agent’s actions as fulfilling his “sworn duty to enforce the nation’s laws.”
He said the agency has guidelines related to arrests “in sensitive community locations.” Palmore said those guidelines are internal and cannot be made public, but they allow agents to make arrests at churches in specific circumstances.
No record of violence
Hernandez is expected to be deported after he serves his sentence. According to court records, he was convicted of a felony drug charge in Montgomery County and deported in 2000. He was deported again in 2001.
Hernandez was convicted in Montgomery County for DWI in January 2004. In October of that year, he was convicted of driving without a valid license. He was deported for a third time in 2004, according to ICE records.
Palmore said the ICE agent took part in one of Hernandez’s earlier arrests and recognized him at the church.
Soliz said his client had never been convicted of a violent crime and had no outstanding warrants at the time of his arrest. Although the agent had legal grounds to make the arrest in the church, Soliz said, doing so appeared to go against ICE’s general practice, specifically citing the Arellano case.
“It’s unbelievable to me that an agent can be so ignorant,” Soliz said. “Just a short time ago, his superiors at the highest levels purposely waited a year for a woman to come out of a church, yet this renegade with a gun and a badge decides in the middle of a religious service to make an arrest.”
‘They have no respect’
The arrested man’s mother, 51-year-old Ana Maria Hernandez, said she was particularly upset to learn that her son, who has been in the U.S. illegally since age 6, was detained in a church.
“A church is a sacred place,” she said. “They have no respect, not even for that.”
Hernandez regularly attended Conroe First Assembly church, but was at a different church in Montgomery with a friend when arrested.
Michael Moak, a pastor at the church where Hernandez regularly attended, said word of the arrest upset some members of his congregation.
“I think it was distasteful, the way it was done,” he said.
Moak suggested ICE could have arrested Hernandez at his job or home, and “could have been a little more professional,” instead of singling him out at church.
Curtis Collier, president of the U.S. Border Watch group based in Spring, which advocates stricter border controls, said it “might have been a little more prudent” to wait until after the service.
But without knowing all the details, Collier said, “I have to go with the agent’s judgment.”
I think the agent preserved the sanctity of church by peacably removing a wanted fugitve from the presence of the otherwise law abiding worshipers .Note he asked him to step outside.
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ICE works by meeting monthly quotas, so they are pretty much doing backflips to deport illegals.
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Was he arrested outside or in the church hall? I could see if the agent interrupted a church service to publicly arrest the man inside the church hall, but if he politely asked the man to step outside, and then arrested him, then it shouldn’t be a problem.
I applaud the agent for be willing to do his job. I wish more of them felt the same way.
they have no respect of course, plain and simple, they’re cold as ice
NO! that is violating constitution principle: Separation of Church and State.
Thanks for sharing.
It is a pity Ana Maria Hernandez and her thrice deported son do not respect the sanctity of the US border which by treaty is supposed to respected “religiously” by both nations.
I don’t care where illegal aliens are arrested, and feel that churches who harbor illegal aliens should lose their tax-exemptions.
If your here illegally it shouldn’t matter when or where you are caught. Let the officials do their job and get these illegals out of this country!
I support the action. There are no sacred grounds for criminals. Deport, deport, deport!
I agree. If the agent asked Hernandez to follow him and Mr. Hernandez did so quietly, then there is no argument. Mr. Hernandez did not claim sanctuary. He didn’t attempt to fight his arrest at all. This tells me that he knew he was in the wrong.
Yes – that is actively supporting the liberals call for separation of church and state.
Tony – the separation of church and state simply means that our government shall support no religious organization. If we had no such provision in our Constitution then I could see our government upholding the concept of sanctuary. The only reason our government doesn’t do this very often is politics – they don’t want to irk churchgoers, who “may” take offense.
What gives any criminal the “right” to hide in plain sight in a church and expect that no arrest should be made.
I don’t care if the criminal was a simple shoplifter and law enforcement tackled him in the middle of the pews. People should not expect to get a free pass on our laws simply by going inside a church!
What would be next – child molesters hiding inside a religious cults building and expecting sanctuary?
“respect their church” but they don’t have to “respect our laws”
Wow, what a hypocrite.
Mr. Hernandez was asked to step outside and no disturbance was caused inside the church, so what’s the problem.
If Mr. Hernandez had obeyed the deportation order and left the US the agents would not have had to take these steps to arrest him.
He and his family have no one to blame but themselves.
EDIT- glad you won your appeal. Way to go. Keep up the good work